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	<title>Comments on: ACC levy increase for Motorbikes..thoughts from one who rides with passion</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Seay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Seay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I emailed my MP I did not know about the risk profile ,that makes more sense now ,I might send another email to her,although she is national so is towing the company (ACC)line.Thanks for that info David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I emailed my MP I did not know about the risk profile ,that makes more sense now ,I might send another email to her,although she is national so is towing the company (ACC)line.Thanks for that info David</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Seay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Seay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I emailed my MP I did not know about the risk profile ,that makes more sense now ,I might send another email to her,although she is national so is towing the company (ACC)line.Thanks for that info David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I emailed my MP I did not know about the risk profile ,that makes more sense now ,I might send another email to her,although she is national so is towing the company (ACC)line.Thanks for that info David</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like my point was made :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like my point was made :)

Steve</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Migel

Thank you for the opportunity to show my calculation.

I drive 16km each way to work every day - for about 250 days per year.  32*250 = 8000km

My 8 Seater Toyota Estima fuel efficiency is ~ 11 litres/100km
My Honda CBR1100xx fuel efficiency is ~7.3 litres/100km

for 8000 km fuel used is:
Car 80 * 11 = 880 litres
Bike 80 * 7.3 = 584 litres

I therefore use 800-584= 216 litres of fuel less on the bike.

At current fuel price (91 - used in both) of $1.65 per litre this equates to 216*1.65= $356.40

So I&#039;l needlessly burn over 200 litres of fuel per year sat in traffic - yet still I&#039;ll be paying less.


My employment contract includes a car park - so I pay no more (or less) whatever vehicle I drive.  But you raise an interesting point - should new zealanders all abandon their bikes because it&#039;s cheaper to drive a car, there will be anywhere up to 110,000 LESS car park spaces - what would that do to parking prices I wonder?  (Maybe by not using as many parks, motorcyclists are not only helping the planet but subsidising parking prices for car drivers?)


Now Mr Sanchez, I invite you to share your calculation data for the rest of us:

- $77 per car driver per year
- 19 times more likely to have an accident (please factor in that motorcycles generally travel less kms than cars and quote a study that&#039;s relevant to the current MZ motorycle fleet).

as for your point about transport choices - if I choose to walk to work, or cycle, I am statistically placing my self at similar high risk who pays for that?  For that matter, I could choose to skateboard, pogo-stick, fly a hangglider,  microlight, light plane, or helicopter to work.... yet still I wouldn&#039;t have to pay ACC levies on that mode of transport - who would pay? how? I know I&#039;d still be covered if I injured myself though.... such is the point of a no-fault scheme.

And just a point about the who 60% thing - the truth is that 60% (ish) of crashes that involve another vehicle ARE the fault of the other party.  The 30 or so % of crashes where no other part was involved is accepted - though are you implying a single vehicle crash is always the fault of the driver?  Whilst there certainly are a reasonable proportion of at fault accidents (as there are with cars too) the environment (gravel, diesel spills, line painting, tar seal flashing (shiny roads)) present a much greater hazard to bikers than other road users - shame our roads couldn&#039;t be as well maintained as many other countries!

Main point is - there&#039;s no ACC financial crisis at all - the urgency is manufactured.  Bikes are the easy target here - Who&#039;s next?  If the government DOES want to move ACC to a fully user pays model - it certainly can&#039;t and won&#039;t stop at the bikes.</description>
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<p>Thank you for the opportunity to show my calculation.</p>
<p>I drive 16km each way to work every day &#8211; for about 250 days per year.  32*250 = 8000km</p>
<p>My 8 Seater Toyota Estima fuel efficiency is ~ 11 litres/100km<br />
My Honda CBR1100xx fuel efficiency is ~7.3 litres/100km</p>
<p>for 8000 km fuel used is:<br />
Car 80 * 11 = 880 litres<br />
Bike 80 * 7.3 = 584 litres</p>
<p>I therefore use 800-584= 216 litres of fuel less on the bike.</p>
<p>At current fuel price (91 &#8211; used in both) of $1.65 per litre this equates to 216*1.65= $356.40</p>
<p>So I&#8217;l needlessly burn over 200 litres of fuel per year sat in traffic &#8211; yet still I&#8217;ll be paying less.</p>
<p>My employment contract includes a car park &#8211; so I pay no more (or less) whatever vehicle I drive.  But you raise an interesting point &#8211; should new zealanders all abandon their bikes because it&#8217;s cheaper to drive a car, there will be anywhere up to 110,000 LESS car park spaces &#8211; what would that do to parking prices I wonder?  (Maybe by not using as many parks, motorcyclists are not only helping the planet but subsidising parking prices for car drivers?)</p>
<p>Now Mr Sanchez, I invite you to share your calculation data for the rest of us:</p>
<p>- $77 per car driver per year<br />
- 19 times more likely to have an accident (please factor in that motorcycles generally travel less kms than cars and quote a study that&#8217;s relevant to the current MZ motorycle fleet).</p>
<p>as for your point about transport choices &#8211; if I choose to walk to work, or cycle, I am statistically placing my self at similar high risk who pays for that?  For that matter, I could choose to skateboard, pogo-stick, fly a hangglider,  microlight, light plane, or helicopter to work&#8230;. yet still I wouldn&#8217;t have to pay ACC levies on that mode of transport &#8211; who would pay? how? I know I&#8217;d still be covered if I injured myself though&#8230;. such is the point of a no-fault scheme.</p>
<p>And just a point about the who 60% thing &#8211; the truth is that 60% (ish) of crashes that involve another vehicle ARE the fault of the other party.  The 30 or so % of crashes where no other part was involved is accepted &#8211; though are you implying a single vehicle crash is always the fault of the driver?  Whilst there certainly are a reasonable proportion of at fault accidents (as there are with cars too) the environment (gravel, diesel spills, line painting, tar seal flashing (shiny roads)) present a much greater hazard to bikers than other road users &#8211; shame our roads couldn&#8217;t be as well maintained as many other countries!</p>
<p>Main point is &#8211; there&#8217;s no ACC financial crisis at all &#8211; the urgency is manufactured.  Bikes are the easy target here &#8211; Who&#8217;s next?  If the government DOES want to move ACC to a fully user pays model &#8211; it certainly can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t stop at the bikes.</p>
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